00:26:52 victoria neis: Do you see that our tour pieces should be less to commentate extended conversations 00:29:50 Lyn: Should we then have less of a beginning, middle and end? 00:32:23 J A Durades: All of the black artists are not American. 00:34:11 Nahid Khan: Nowadays, there are so many Black people who are more immigrants or the children of immigrants from African, so that diversifies what is meant by African American, and Black American, or just Black … 00:35:59 Kara ZumBahlen (she/her): That's true, Nahid, so important to remember. 00:37:12 Lyn: The characters are really challenging and confrontational - looking us in the eye… 00:37:26 Teresa Luterbach: Initially I wondered if these two men had been victims of violence 00:37:30 Kris Berggren (she/her): I feel both anxiety — the subjects look in distress to me — and wonder - what are they doing up on what looks like a bluff 00:37:36 Kristin H: Initial reaction: Are they hurt? 00:37:36 Manju: Curious about what the artist was trying to portray. 00:37:41 Elizabeth: mystery; what is happening? 00:37:44 Vicki Sperry: I’m actually thinking about George Floyd 00:37:46 Kimmie Kemberling: I agree Teresa 00:37:50 Lyn: What do I do next? 00:38:03 Cara Richardson: Confusion, what is going on here. I also think of modern dance. 00:38:06 beverlywiesner: Ditto George Floyd 00:38:10 Carol Stoddart: I feel physically uncomfortable, based on how their bodies are torquesD I feel the rocks digging into me. I feel crowded by them moving into my space 00:38:10 Jennifer: It feels racial and gang related 00:38:20 mary: are we seeing two injured men or two dead men? 00:38:33 Connie falvey: they look so sad and might be asking for help 00:38:42 Kutzi Priest: Staring straight at us, what does that mean? 00:38:44 Julie Hillmyer: Vulnerability 00:39:07 Michele Combs: Looks like they are on the edge of a cliff 00:39:16 Laurie Junker: they have placid expressions….like a portrait 00:39:18 Regina Sindalovsky: optimistic 00:39:24 Bill W.: This has always been confusing to me ... they look like they have been thrown down, perhaps hurt, yet they look unhurt .. healthy in hte faces 00:39:25 J A Durades: Are your feelings about them being victims of violence, because they are black/ 00:39:26 stephmcnally: a beautiful day, secluded out in the mountains how did they get there? 00:39:27 Kay Miller: Their gestures seem to describe their story 00:39:33 patriciabartlett: They look fallen but certainly not in distress. They are very strong still and clean. They are wearing jewelry. 00:39:35 JeanMarie: Two young men can’t tell if they have fallen or are climbing a mountain. 00:39:37 beverlywiesner: Ambiguity beautiful play of light on muscle, skin, pastel colors , but limp wrists 00:39:42 Louise Hertsgaard: Awkward, uncomfortable positions 00:39:50 mary: I don’t think they’re looking at us…. off into space or at nothing at all. 00:39:54 Carol Stoddart: They look so strong and healthy, and there's no sign of outright injury 00:39:57 Therese: are they dying - they’re looking at their aggresser 00:39:58 Lyn: The bodies are twisted, on rocky ground - a metaphor? 00:40:02 Vicki Klaers: Their body positions look so uncomfortable 00:40:04 Colleen’s: The setting and dress are confusing 00:40:06 Nahid Khan: I thought maybe they were out in a national park and had done some hiking or climbing, and lying down out of exhaustion … 00:40:07 Laurie Junker: I think because they’re young we think of violence. 00:40:11 Teresa Luterbach: not necessarily because Black, more from their positions 00:40:13 Kit Wilson (she/her): Amazing foreshortening 00:40:19 richardlemanczykafka: How did they get here? 00:40:26 Kutzi Priest: Were they fighting each other? 00:41:04 Laurie Junker: and because of their clothing and jewelry we bring a mindset of urban violence ?? 00:41:12 mary: The medium itself has always surprised me. 00:42:17 J A Durades: How do you get past the feelings of them being black, and that's always in the news? Especially when there isn't this kind of coverage about white victims 00:42:17 Regina Sindalovsky: aike Icarus, they tried to do something daring, they fell, but they are alive, young, strong, and the skies are blue, and promising success for those who dare 00:42:18 Boyd Ratchye: Oddly passive. What are they reacting to? No connection to aviation or to Dumont. 00:42:28 richardlemanczykafka: Why was egis painted on such a large scale? 00:42:29 beverlywiesner: I dont think fighting- hands are healthy, look at the grace in the fingers, clean nails 00:42:31 Lyn: What Sheila just said is a great way to talk about our different perspectives. 00:44:03 Lyn: Walking in another’s shoes 00:44:31 Kay Miller: He made universal the sense of falling, of being wounded 00:44:45 Margo: making them monumental and deserving of being portrayed 00:44:45 stephmcnally: shows that black and brown faces in art are just as important as white 00:45:01 Kristin H: He made them hugely present. You can’t ignore. 00:45:03 Mary Des Roches: Imagining a different view of history. 00:45:07 mary: on the ground one a very hard surface 00:45:16 beverlywiesner: We are confronted by young black men in distress and that contradicts the myth 00:45:21 stephmcnally: kinda like dawoud bey’s large photographs 00:45:35 Kay Miller: He shows the beauty of young black men 00:46:04 Kay Miller: He’s reminding us of forgotten aviation history 00:46:17 Connie falvey: He gave immortality to everyday people. 00:46:35 Lyn: Beautiful Connie! 00:46:38 Kathleen Steiger: he allows each viewer to see themselves in this as well as other works of art at Mia 00:47:04 Margo: Didn 00:47:38 Regina Sindalovsky: inspiring black viewers 00:47:45 Margo: Didn he also ask the two young men to choose how they wanted to be portrayed. 00:49:21 Kay Miller: There is a sense that invention and experimentation is not without risks 00:49:36 Kate Christianson: The traditional frame adds a sense of history…as if the image belongs in history 00:49:57 Nahid Khan: Without knowing the back story of this painting, and thinking that it is located outdoors in nature somewhere like a national park …. initially had me thinking about "white spaces"; there's been some discussion about how "the outdoors", state and national parks, wilderness areas, etc., are dominated by white people so that people of color present in such places are seen as interlopers … and then this presence in an art museum: also long seen as a "white space" … 00:50:45 JeanMarie: Stu 00:51:23 marylewis: There are flowers in the picture! 00:51:49 Kris Berggren (she/her): very similar composition 00:51:49 Lisa Mayotte: Clothing and hair styles. 00:51:51 Lyn: The story is not over for these young men compared to the statue. 00:51:52 maryannwark: clothed, unclothed 00:51:56 mary: they are in the same positions, these two images 00:51:59 maryannwark: same arm positions 00:52:04 Kay Miller: In the myth there is great hubris and foolishness. I don’t think that is Wiley’s intention 00:52:09 Jeanette Colby: Where the people are looking 00:52:10 Kutzi Priest: Same paradigm exactly 00:52:25 Terry Nadler: More context with sculpture. Painting is very closed in. 00:52:45 Carol Stoddart: The color in the painting makes a big difference in the impact 00:52:56 Naomi H: Facial expressions not defined in the sculpture but very defined in painting 00:53:22 Margo: faces look more directly at the viewer 00:54:03 Nahid Khan: The rocky foreground and background (big rock in background) is similar between the two … 00:54:10 Kathleen Steiger: It is difficult to tell if the figures in the statue have open or closed eyes. 00:54:11 Carol Stoddart: I think I read that he gave the men choices as to what pieces of art they wanted to be part of. 00:54:18 stephmcnally: Seeing the eyes and full expressions on the Kehinde Wiley really brings it to another level of intimacy, compared the momument. 00:55:18 James Eastman: Looks like they might be ready to try again 00:55:43 Nahid Khan: I agree, James ... 00:55:56 beverlywiesner: The one on bottom row-2nd from right- is it Carravagio who did that painting of Mary ? 00:56:03 Jeanette Colby: Thank you Sheila 00:56:28 Tippy Madden: Thank you Sheila! 00:56:31 Maryam Marne's iPad: Thank you, Sheila 00:56:42 Lyn: Thank you Sheila! 00:56:52 Sheila McGuire: Thank you to all of you! 00:57:32 mary: the animals 00:57:34 Lyn: THE bright colors! 00:57:37 Barbara Edin: rocking chair 00:57:39 JeanMarie: Thanks, Sheila! 00:57:41 Margo: I'd like to sit in the chair! 00:57:42 Maria Reamer: The chair, 00:57:43 Jan Heasley: I'm heading straight for that rocker 00:57:47 stephmcnally: The blue rocking chair 00:57:48 Kimmie Kemberling: Green is my favorite color, so it gets my attenton 00:57:49 rosestanley-gilbert: The sculpture has fallen men who look dead. These young men look stunned. 00:57:51 Connie falvey: i want to know who lives here. 00:57:51 Gordy and Maggie Rosine: rocking chair ! 00:57:52 Jennifer: The big orange tree outside 00:57:53 Kutzi Priest: Warm jumble 00:57:56 Carol Stoddart: I'm drawn to the chair. It looks comfy and blue is my favorite color 00:58:00 maryannwark: colors, curved lines, lots of little characters 00:58:07 Terry Nadler: I want to get my color crayons out and do the same. 00:58:08 Bill W.: chair - it's big and blue -- comforting 00:58:09 Lyn: What would it feel like to sit in the chair and experience the room? 00:58:13 Carolyn Weiby: Chair, colors, so many images 00:58:15 beverlywiesner: Growing ! 00:58:17 Jena L she/her: I would avoid this room, too much stimulation and I have brain overload. 00:58:25 maryannwark: motion 00:58:26 Margo: plants and cat or dog--living things 00:58:27 Kimmie Kemberling: Things that bring comfort 00:58:28 Kathleen Steiger: all the floral and natural images 00:58:28 Carolyn Silverstein: Shapes of objects 00:58:31 Kay Miller: The mystery of the symbols 00:58:31 James Eastman: dreamy 00:58:35 Mingjen: Overwhelming details in the painting 00:58:50 Kay Miller: The panel organizarion 00:58:52 Josephine Owens: The angle makes me feel as if I’m in it already. 00:58:54 Kathryn Schwyzer: too chaotic not peaceful 00:58:57 Bill W.: i agree - the chair is a place of rest amid chaos 00:59:03 Michele Combs: Like I might fall over! 00:59:13 Terry Nadler: rhythmic 00:59:47 Lyn: Love that her dress is the same shad of green 01:00:06 Carol Stoddart: The green in the painting comes from her dress. 01:00:09 Steve: Propeller below chair? Echoed by flower? in back of chair. Steve. H. 01:00:10 mary: clearly she’s a fan of that shade of green. 01:00:14 Nahid Khan: I was thinking the same thing Lyn 01:01:26 Kutzi Priest: She clearly loves that shade of green as it’s exactly the same as her dress! 01:02:03 James Eastman: imagination 01:02:03 Terry Nadler: For many artisit, they realize that's their mission in life. 01:02:14 Maria Reamer: To be herslef 01:02:14 Kay Miller: She is saying ‘this is who I am!” 01:02:15 Connie falvey: I means you cannot avoid doing art. 01:02:20 stephmcnally: just an inborn impulse to create 01:02:23 Barb Mikelson: maybe simply to express yourself 01:02:23 Louise Hertsgaard: Compelled to create 01:02:27 Carol Stoddart: I'm thinking of Nellie Mae Rowe and Matisse 01:02:28 Kutzi Priest: Talent is inborn! 01:02:39 martha bordwell: insatiable desire to create 01:02:43 Manju: All things that had meaning or positive memory 01:02:45 JeanMarie: It’s the way she approaches and remembers details of her life. 01:02:46 Lyn: The physicality and how drawing is down deep in her. 01:02:57 Margo: Are the items in the room also in pictures on the wall--a comment on life and art? 01:03:01 Naomi H: she follows her imagination 01:03:16 Elizabeth: Every artist brings their own philosophy to their artistic process. Considering that perspective adds meaningful dimensions to dialogue. 01:03:34 Nahid Khan: Colors are overflowing from within her … 01:04:02 James Allen: The picture is broken up into too many windows like on a computer screen. 01:04:16 mary: She’s showing things of comfort in her life. That chair, the plants, nature outside and sweet pets inside. 01:05:02 Barbara Edin: she likes stuff! 01:05:06 mary: Party!! 01:05:39 JeanMarie: Come see what’s going on at my house! 01:05:41 Lyn: I think I would like to spend some time with her. It wouldn’t be boring! 01:05:56 Teresa Luterbach: reminds me of the artist’s home on Penn Ave near Broders’ — it’s fully painted in a variety of colors and shapes 01:08:05 J A Durades: Clementine Hunter 01:08:35 debra’s iPad: Her bio reminds me of the black artist that did the sculpture of the sheep, wish I could remember his name 01:08:56 Lyn: They call that woman/artist Crazy Mary. 01:09:54 Carol Stoddart: Beautiful poem! 01:10:05 Carol Stoddart: Rest at pale evening 01:10:21 Sheila McGuire: William Edmonson made the ram 01:10:53 Carol Stoddart: Rest at pale evening, a tall slim tree, night coming tenderly, black like me - Langston Hughes 01:11:03 Kimmie Kemberling: Folkart is not a nice word 01:11:59 Naomi H: reverent joyfulness 01:12:02 beverlywiesner: joy 01:12:10 Debora Lynch-Rothstein: joy & comfort 01:12:16 Vicki Klaers: Home is a happy place 01:12:17 Margo: life and exuberance 01:12:18 stephmcnally: freedom, joy, home 01:12:22 Lyn: With all the busy-ness of our life, it is good to find repose and reset. 01:12:38 Carolyn Silverstein: Her love of objects in her enviornmrnt. 01:12:43 Terry Nadler: There is a vertical line off to the left. What's on the left is different from what's on the right. 01:13:01 Antra Pakalns: That life is joyous. Even in every day things. Antra 01:13:26 Mary Des Roches: I see the work as an invitation to enter the room myself. 01:13:30 Terry Nadler: Two verticle lines. A woman's face/body is going from the right side to the left. 01:13:45 Boyd Ratchye: All that gave her joy and happiness in her life as a child and an adult in her home with her siblings and parents. 01:14:03 lucy-Mia: If we are not using "folk" and "self taught" what word(s) should we use as this is a great peace as are many of our formerly called folk/self taught objects. I use them a lot and I would like to be respectful to the artists 01:14:07 Nahid Khan: The path from surviving to thriving … 01:14:12 debra’s iPad: Vacant chair 01:14:15 Carolyn Weiby: Power of emotion through color. 01:14:16 Carol Stoddart: It would be such fun to talk about the composition, the repetitive shapes, the parallels, the sinuousness, like art noveau 01:14:24 Kris Berggren (she/her): A woman’s/person’s home is where they can be themselves - maybe in ways they can’t in the outside world. This is a beautiful invitation in to her inner life 01:15:46 mary: Thank you for sharing that art! 01:21:02 JeanMarie: Thank you,Debbi, for the quotes and insights. 01:23:27 Terry Nadler: Artists use a painting technique and structure. There might be a term for this. 01:23:47 debra’s iPad: Sometimes artifact v art also? 01:24:46 mary: Good point, Emily. 01:24:56 Kathryn Schwyzer: i agree 01:25:13 Regina Sindalovsky: From the web: Henri Julien Félix Rousseau was a French post-impressionist painter in the Naïve or Primitive manner. 01:25:13 Terry Nadler: This painting may be more 2 dimensional than 3. 01:25:21 Diana Beutner: Kids love hearing that an artist didn’t have formal training. 01:25:40 mary: Self-taught could also be seen as complimentary. Innate ability. 01:26:14 Kris Berggren (she/her): Self-taught = resourceful, disciplined, dedicated. 01:26:46 Kutzi Priest: That it looks child-like, charming 01:26:55 Lyn: These people are important. 01:27:14 Sara (she/her): I like all of the movement 01:27:15 Terry Nadler: Use of different colors means something to the artist. 01:27:18 stephmcnally: I think her paintings are easy to imagine jumping into - what would it feel like there, what would you hear 01:27:19 Kay Miller: Scale and brightness of the cotton bag. 01:27:22 Therese: colors 01:27:29 Kathryn Schwyzer: large bags of cotton 01:27:31 Naomi H: I love the visual rhythm 01:27:31 Nahid Khan: the artistic impulse or drive or ability or desire to express oneself is overpowering and must be released 01:27:33 Kathleen Steiger: some folks notice the woman smoking a pipe and they love all the colors. 01:27:43 Kay Miller: Sense of real people doing important work 01:28:04 rosestanley-gilbert: enough detail to be good storytelling 01:28:10 mary: The border of pink separating the two lines of figures?? 01:28:51 Lyn: I imagined her differently. Thank you for showing these. 01:29:23 Kay Miller: So alive, energetic. contemplative 01:31:04 Lyn: I imagined her like my artistic family members. Her work feels intimate. 01:31:43 Kris Berggren (she/her): similar clothing 01:31:44 Therese: the rows and line of pickers 01:31:44 Tippy Madden: All women in the fields. 01:31:44 Kay Miller: Pickers all in rows so little cotton is missed 01:31:47 Lyn: Amazingly accurate 01:31:50 Pat Gale: The hats 01:31:51 mary: Her painting is a lot more cheerful than the photo. 01:31:53 Jan Heasley: you can see the baskets of cotton 01:31:53 Kathryn Schwyzer: mostly women 01:31:55 Marcia Rinek: rows, ripe cotton 01:31:56 Terry Nadler: wearing hats to shield against the sun 01:31:58 Gordy and Maggie Rosine: trees in background 01:31:58 JeanMarie: We can see the bags for cotton 01:31:59 stephmcnally: Women, rows, dress, bins 01:32:02 Kathleen Steiger: womwn 01:32:04 James Allen: Big baskets of cotton like the large bags in her painting. Could weigh 100 pounds. 01:32:05 Connie falvey: the rows of cotton. 01:32:17 Kay Miller: Long dresses 01:32:20 Boyd Ratchye: Everyone needs a head covering & has a head covering. It’s going to be hot and you need to be covered while working. 01:32:25 Therese: the bright whitness of the cotton 01:32:27 Nahid Khan: In painting, women are picking cotton; in photo, women AND girls are standing/posed standing. 01:33:13 Lisa Mayotte: Was it not the time when they were able to exchange stories? 01:33:25 Kay Miller: We often paint memories with a different patina 01:33:37 Kay Miller: That is true for all of us 01:34:01 Laurie Junker: Is the child responsible for fetching water for the adults? 01:34:22 Tom Morgan: it would be wonderful to show that photo along with the painting on tour 01:36:43 Connie falvey: how much did those bags weigh? 01:38:23 Carol Stoddart: the painting doesn't reflect the arduous nature of the work as I understand it. Also smoking a pipe is something I think of a leisure activity, so it puzzles me that someone picking would be smoking' 01:38:51 Nahid Khan: When Scarlett O'Hara visited Rhett Butler in prison, pretending everything was fine, he realized she had been picking cotton by her hands. 01:39:09 Mingjen: ``This also appears to be an idealized portrayal of cotton picking: bright cheerful colors and beautiful environment 01:39:40 Diana Beutner: Migratory Cotton Picker - it’s a Dorothea Lange 01:40:04 maryannwark: Some of the problem for these artists was that there was no one who would represent them to galleries. So getting work sold was not so easy . 01:40:53 iPad Mary Samuels (2): tobacco grown in northern southern states uses different soil 01:41:06 Lyn: Thank you 01:42:51 Kara ZumBahlen (she/her): Thanks everyone for all your great observations and comments! 01:44:35 Nahid Khan: Cotton cultivation is extremely problematic globally in the 20th century. Soviet central planning turned Central Asia into a intensive cotton growing area, which destroyed Lake Aral and the environment of the area, with terrible health effects in a large region. Then there's China's control over Eastern Turkestan (Xinjiang province) and forced labor of the Uyghur people there. 01:46:22 beverlywiesner: I saw untreated depression - an epidemic- as a factor in my work as a child support officer- my clients suffered universally- all clients but especially men of color and immigrants 01:49:26 Barb Mikelson: are the artists involved all local? 01:50:25 Nahid Khan: Cotton cultivation is problematic on human rights, economic, environmental and health and other levels, well into this (21st) century, especially with the demand for natural fabrics as "better" for us ... 01:50:51 Lyn: Thank you. 01:51:20 Mary, Minneapolis Institute of Art: `Thank you!! 01:51:30 Nahid Khan: If this work (racism in the public schools exhibition) could be expanded to include Brooklyn Center (Evergreen Elementary School and Brooklyn Center High School), that would be great. They are very close to the BC PD on Humboldt Ave.